ANATOLY VASILEV: I dreamt of other life on a new scene, but
ANATOLY VASILEV: I dreamt of other life on a new scene, but
All has turned out by Jesus word.
IN MOSCOW THE NEW THEATRICAL HIGH SCHOOL WILL OPEN.
In the summer on Sretenka there was the strangest theatre in Moscow. In him
There is no either scenes, or an auditorium in habitual understanding of it
Words. Simply white space through penetrated by the solar
Light. Two halls - the octahedral many-tier turret created
On models of Shakespearean "Globe", and "Arena", space
Which reminds Roman to a basil more.
The dislike for traditional theatre-box in the XX-th century
Many directors, but in Moscow in Europe stated for the first time
There was that resolutely crosses out all representations about
Rules of theatrical architecture. Among authors of the architectural
The project officially appear director Anatoly Vasilev and it
Constant set designer Igor Popov.
The building amazing imagination of theatre-goers, has appeared on
To the Moscow map as object of the World theatrical Olympic Games and
Was under construction entirely on city means. But the Olympic Games have ended
Several months ago. Than now the glass will be filled
Theatre open spaces on Sretenka? That happens in an old premise
"Schools of drama art"? Anatoly Vasilev gives the
Explanatories.
HERE THERE WILL BE A THEATRE.
-- Anatoly Aleksandrovich, in the Moscow theatrical circles to
This time are surprised: as you managed to beat out a new building on
To Sretenka? From what suddenly mayor Luzhkov has decided to finance it
Building of a building for an art theatre? Why
Has approved so unusual architectural project?
- To all events connected with occurrence of this theatre, I
I concern as a miracle. It is surprising, that Jury Mihajlovich continues
To build theatres, it is surprising, that Moscow gives us theatres!
In my opinion, wonderful will in an origin of new theatre much
More than the human.
- And the truth, that you have chosen of many years for it back
Place?
- It was, probably, about fifteen years ago. We played on
Taganke the play "Serso". After performances with actors were going to at
Victor Slavkina on Shcherbakovsky and strong drank. It was pleasant to me
All night long to argue on kitchen, and in the morning on foot to go home across Moscow.
Somehow very much early in the morning, approximately in the half-fourth, left from
Victor Slavkina's houses and under the World prospectus have gone downwards to the centre
Cities. We went on the right party of Sretenka by empty,
The thrown and mysterious building. It was the former cinema
"Uranium". And for some reason, passing by, I have stopped, have shown on the house
Also declared to actors: "Here there will be a theatre!" I do not know, why I it
Has told.
Then it was impossible to imagine, even to think, that
Can such happen. But I felt internal confidence,
What exactly in this house also will be my theatre.
- And when you have received this building?
- Last day 1986 Valery Shadrin left from
Chiefs of a central board also has at parting opened in Moscow at once seven
Theatres-studios. It has passed us the former cinema. The "Uranium" address
Was considered legal, and actually we have begun the life on
The cook. In "Uranium" we rehearsed and played "State"
Platon, Pushkin programs and "Evgenie Onegina", the novel
Dostoevsky "Idiot". Here we have played to the prime minister "Amfitriona",
"Forentsu" and "Joseph and his brothers" Thomas Manna. It is a lot of
It has been made.
THE HIGHER SCHOOL ON THE COOK.
- Fourteen years your "cook" period, and the beginning XXI lasted
Centuries you meet in the new house. It seems, exactly so much,
Fourteen years, has spent once Iakov in slavery at Lavana,
Before to find freedom. You like would have something similar.
- I like your comparison. Really, has passed
Fourteen years, and fourteen for me in general transition number.
At me in "Art of the film" article under the name has been printed
"The chronicle of the fourteenth". In this number the secret is put in pawn
The transition, any new road and transformation.
- You have created the School. And now pass in the new
Space, actually begin a new life. Whether means it,
That the School in that kind in which it was, has ended also your theatre
Will considerably change?
- I can not tell, that the School and laboratory life has ended.
It proceeds. For me it would be absolutely wrong and
unichtozhajushche if I have made theatre repertuarnym. I will put all
The efforts, temperament and persistence to save this
Theatre as laboratory.
- And performances in him will play?
- Certainly. The big series as play on Cook. Actors
Will gradually prepare them in laboratory and it is natural
To pass from laboratory job to performance. I all these rules
I will save. But still I want, that the new building became a scene for all
Europe. That second half of season has been given
To the European theatre for tours, master classes, lectures and
Conferences. Because those spatial structures, which
Here are created, allow to show performances of the European theatres
In protogenic quality. Now we develop this project.
- And what will be indoors on Cook?
- I wish to make in this territory an educational institution, academy
"The higher school of drama art". In it will be four
Faculty:
Direction and actor's skill, visual arts,
Experimental forms of training and improvement of professional skill and
Theatrical journalism.
- Interestingly, what changes you are going to to bring in the program
Training of theatrical critics?
- Any. I consider, that they should receive the university
Education. Now on teatrovedcheskih faculties is absent
Course of disciplines which teach at journalism faculty.
It turns out, that the specialists in drama study knowing history of theatre, are not able
To write hot articles, it is professional and noble to state
Fast thoughts. One not fundamentally know history, philosophy,
The literature, history of arts, others write bulvarno. Actors and
Directors will pass too the expanded course humanitarian and
Theological disciplines. Not only to practice - without
Cultural urological base. And in parallel at theatre will go
Research, laboratory job. This year type
Professional vocalists in studio of Russian romance.
BOTH MUSIC, AND THE WORD.
- Will be engaged with singers?
- With them vocal teacher Andrey Nashchokin will work.
Andrey Georgievich has started to be engaged in singing as a science of years
Fifteen back. Onnauchnyj the worker, has finished faculty
Electronics and computer facilities, and then developed
Systems of an information transfer also has found analogy between transfer
Information in technical devices and in a singing voice.
Using its technique, singers reach the same results, that
And at traditional school, but a different way. At traditional school
Teachers show a sound more often. Speak about a mask, a resonance,
Timbre. The pupil during singing studies to imitate the teacher, not
Understanding as the sound is formed. Well if their vocal devices
Are similar.
And if is not present? And then, at each vocal school is
Certain taboos. As a result the singer is accustomed to the artificial
To sound. Andrey Nashchokin will learn to conscious management
Voice to develop a vocal sound and to approach its timbre to
Natural, natural.
- And how it can be developed?
- Here retelling not my technique. Actually, quality of a sound
Depends on correct job of certain groups of muscles. The singer
Studies to operate them, in its consciousness there is an internal communication
Between a sound and muscular job. During any moment of a muscle begin
To join automatically. And further it is possible to sing opertym or
Open sound to change its timbre. Nashchokin will analyze
Sound and the vocal technics of singers and to develop for everyone
The individual technique of employment developing vocal data.
- You are going to to change the traditional vocal technics - with
Than it is connected?
- In my opinion, with execution of Russian classical music
There is a present trouble! During the short period of the socialist
Realism Russian culture has been killed, torn to pieces,
zakonopachena! The made destitute Soviet people which have appeared out of
Fatherland and out of history, began to reach for the higher life through
Moral sentimentality. Russian classical music became
Not spiritual, and moral-sincere. Executors of romances
Tried to sing vospitatelno and as a hobby. Russian romance - as
School of nervous shocks. But same not so! After all in the Russian
To music of the XX-th century virtuosity was always combined with metaphysics.
Metaphysics of any sound - here a problem! The scores written
Russian composers and those opera performances that are presented
On a scene - two worlds not joint. Bent for of immorality,
Replaced attacks of communistic morals, it is finished to
Platitudes. But an ancient Italian opera - not moral and not
The immoral. And domestic music by the nature not
Realistic, and domestic poetry not the realistic. For a long time
Listeners at concerts perceive not words, and a melody,
Musical intonation. I wish to learn singers to operate and a sound,
And a word. A way lonely, but sooner or later experts will understand, in
What direction it is necessary to move.
GAME STRUCTURES FOR THE FUTURE.
- Let's return to theatre. As it seems to you, who at whom
Should study now? Russian directors at European or
European at Russian?
- I think, that now a theatre status everywhere approximately
The identical. That I observe in Russia, that occurs is similar
In Europe. The theatre and there, and at us is in the paranoid
Status. It on the eve of huge changes, transition from one
Statuses in another, too the paranoid. And behind that who will find out
Ways for transition, will go all the others. Perhaps, it will make
Any theatre, maybe, any director or the playwright.
I do not think, that the actor is capable to find now a way for transition. Not
It is assured of it.
- It seems to you, that we see now the end of one theatrical
Epoch and the beginning another?
- Yes. Undoubtedly. I knew it and about fifteen years ago,
When has started to create game structures for the future. Understood
Absolutely clearly. It seems to me, a unique correct way for theatre
Now is a returning to sources, to theatre roots. One of
Our programs on the Theatrical Olympic Games was called "Sources and
Roots ".
- How to define style in which you now are engaged?
- You know, in 96th year when I have brought in Volterru
The first experience on "Illiada" of the Homere, I has named it: experience not-theatre. That,
Than I am going to to be engaged, it is possible to name experience of other theatre.
But it is possible to tell, what is it there will be an experience not-theatre.
Has come to return time to tragedy misterialnost, and
To metaphysical drama to return its metaphysics. Therefore it is necessary for me
Was to construct other theatrical space. I will give an example:
We took idea of space of Shakespearean "Globe" and have connected
It with idea of Russian vosmerika with a tent.
- And with a glass dome that light got?
- The majority of premises in a new building are transparent or
Are translucent. There is no division between the different architectural
In volumes. Energy, air and light flow from one
Archaic space in another even if it is a scene which
Demands disconnexion. The world will close walls, but will move apart
Light.
- Whether but experiences are necessary to new Russian public, which
Has got used to drama shows? Or to theatre-goers of 60th years?
- Know, all the same Russian theatre... More correctly Post-Soviet theatre
- I can name it only so, - it was now divided on
Pseudo-psychological theatre and theatre commercial, parkway,
otvorovavshy culture of psychological theatre. Already in itself
It otvorovyvanie is said that by manipulation with system
Psychological realism became advantage and the privilege
Parkway theatre. Psychological culture, not dying,
Dies off. But at theatrical public it is still saved
The strongest nostalgia on last theatre. Together with nostalgia on
To way of life, relations between people. Spectators would like, that
The theatre was similar to a qualitative photo. But the theatre is created not
For this purpose, and a photo - too.
THE ETERNAL PUPIL.
- You, as well as to the Olympic Games, spend the whole days on building...
- What will I tell about it? Very severe building.
Abrupt, severe building in which have faced the simple
Architecture and experience of the modern builders, got used to pack
Bourgeois offices, hotels, cinemas and cottages for new Russian.
On the other hand, designing methods - times "Ochakovsky and
pokorenja Crimea ". Somehow I have named this building"Belomorkanal".
The house which has been constructed, it is necessary to name not theatre, and the centre. Now
It is necessary "to give birth to him anew" - from the centre in theatre.
- What performances the new building will open?
- "Mozart and Salieri", "we Cry Ieremii", "Apocalypse" in
Jury Ljubimova's to statement. On cook there is a premiere of "Feast"
Platon and "Misanthrope" Moliere. "Arena" will be ready and for
Symphony concerts, and for solo programs. Other halls
Too. Was lost in accident Ilja ponomarev - "Illiada" was lost.
Dreamt of the prime minister in April-May.
- Here enter into the new house, the new life begins. You
Be going to to change the name of the theatre?
- Perhaps, it will be called "School theatre". And on
Cook - "the Higher school of drama art". Academy.
If Vladimir Lavrov, round it and Igor Jatsko was live
It would be possible to collect actors-devotees, which, as carriers
"School style", could create not-theatre or theatre
misterialnogo, metaphysical dialogue. But now - is not present. It
The present trouble and grief. Because I dreamt of other life on
To new scene. You know, all has turned out as though by Jesus word:
"And the last become the first". The first have left also last steels
The first.
- But at you it is a lot of pupils.
- Yes, really, pupils Vasileva it is a lot of. Unfortunately,
The criticism in Russia sometimes was interested in my performances, and
Never was interested in process of their creation - school. I inform
Without pleasure: in Europe there is my seventh book under the bill. It
The fact. And about my pupils say, that they are children of the lieutenant
Schmidt. Too the fact. But if to name those who studied at me,
The solid list of the directors practising in modern will turn out
Theatre. The fact.
- Whom from directors in Russia or in Europe you consider as the
The adherent? Who from them conducts searches in a same direction,
As you?
- You never can tell. After leaving Grotovsky for me does not remain
The instructor. After Oleg Efremova's leaving - the friend, after leaving
Anatoly Efros - the genius. Grotovsky was the Master, I could to it
To come as the pupil. I do not have Master more. Is not present and
Adherents.
- How you consider, it is difficult to be the teacher?
- I always felt myself as the pupil, differently I could not be
The teacher.
Olga ROMANTSOVA, Gleb SITKOVSKY.
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